Great Western Railway Dean Era Coaches

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Note: After 1907 first class coaches had 8000 added to their number and composites had 6000 added to their number.

Diagram Dimensions
Length x Width
Wheelbase
Lewis Class. No. Built Numbers
Conversions Scrapping Dates
S1

4 compartment second

later converted to third class


4 wheels

25' x 8'

18'

LA9N 100 built between 1871 and 1872 in 2 lots 287 to 326

327 to 386

Third Class Numbers


R Spratt collection


JN Slinn collection

253 to W6

340, 343, 356, 368, 380 to Brake second

5295, 5353 to Composite

Third 370 became an Engineers Mess Van 14934 in 1914

Third 383 converted to Workman's Coach and Tool Van 80998 in 1907, cond. 1921

1912 to 1931
S2

5 compartment second/third


4 wheels

28' x 8'
16'
LA9N 6 built in 1875 - 2nd class 1 to 4, 6, 7


© GWR


JN Slinn collection

1, 2, 6, 7, 212, 213, 214, 215
to T13 in
1878, 1886, 1882, 1886, 1890, 1890, 1880, 1879
4 (ex 2nd no.3), 224 - 1927

211, 331, 517 (ex 3rd no. 4) - 1928

213 - 1929

214 - 1930

227 - 1931

4 built in 1875 - 3rd class

6 converted from T13

212 to 215

211, 213, 214 224, 227, 331 (Workmens coaches)

S3

5 compartment third

6 wheels

28' x 8'
9'6 - 9'6
LA9N approx. 642 built between
1872 & 1884
1 to 8, 11, 13, 14, 16-20, 22, 24, 26, 28, 32-35, 38, 39, 40-45, 47, 51-53, 55-60, 62, 63, 72, 73, 103, 105, 106, 108, 109, 111-118, 120-123, 127-131, 134-138, 140, 141, 144-147, 149, 150, 151, 153, 154, 156-161, 163-169, 171-174, 176, 177, 187, 191, 194, 202, 203, 217-219, 221-223, 236, 277, 307, 310, 318, 355, 356, 362, 379, 381, 382, 384, 385, 389, 390, 392-394, 398, 432, 433, 447, 449, 451, 460, 469, 471, 492, 493, 496, 497, 501, 503, 505, 506, 509, 517, 523, 525, 530, 533, 535, 537-539, 541-543, 546, 547, 555, 576, 634, 678, 701-703, 705, 707-709, 714-724, 726, 728, 729, 730, 731, 734, 735, 737, 739, 741-747, 749-751, 754, 756, 759, 763-765, 767-769, 774, 778, 780, 783, 786, 793-795, 798, 805, 806, 808, 812, 814, 815, 840, 845, 847-850, 901, 903, 904, 908, 910, 914-916, 920, 922-928, 1007, 1008, 1066, 1068, 1080-1099, 1193, 1198, 1201, 1267, 1308, 1309, 1384-1473, 1524-1568, 1599-1648

443 built on a broad gauge chassis renumbered 1976 in 1892 when converted to standard gauge


R Spratt collection

Middle axle removed - S4

T11

T12  694 in 1904, 1644 in 1897

T14  122, 271, 471, 523, 530, 714, 721, 847, 916, 1068, 1097, 1394, 1429, 1432, 1435, 1447, 1467 - ND

857 - 1904

870 - 1912

871 - 1905

874 - 1913

703 converted to Engineering Dept. Coach, Gloucester, 80942, in 1930

1099 converted to Engineering Coach, 14934, in 1920, cond. 1944

1619 converted to Sleeping Van, 80957, in 1930

1625 converted to Mess Van, 80958, in 1930

Nos.
S4

5 compartment third

4 wheels

28' x 8'
19'
Nos.
S5

built as 4 compartment third with central luggage compartment

6 wheels

Most had the luggage compartment incorporated into one of the adjacent compartments.  For most conversions there are no dates, the only two dates recorded are 7/1907 & 7/1912.

28' x 8'
9'6 - 9'6
LA9N 24 built 1874

The lot book says 25 were built, but only 24 are recorded in the stock book. The other was built as an S3.

875 - 890, 893 - 900
courtesy of John Lewis


JN Slinn collection

885 to Hounds Van 877, 882 - 1909

886, 887, 895 - 1911

890 - 1912

875, 883, 884, 889, 896, 898 - 1913

876, 893 - 1914

880, 888, 899, 900 - 1915

881 - 1916

878 - 1917

897 - 1920

879 - 1921

894 - 1924

S6

5 compartment third

6 wheels

28' x 8'
9'6 - 9'6
LA7TN 1 built in 1885 (plus possibly some others)

20 built in 1886

20 built in 1886 - on Broad Gauge frames

6 converted from composites in 1909/1911

1208

1649 to 1668

Broad Gauge Nos. - 516 to 535
Converted to Standard Gauge 1891/2 - 1983 to 2002

810, 811, 813, 816, 817, 1425


Richard Spratt collection


JN Slinn collection

1663 and 1995 went to the R&SB in 1913 and were renumbered 4165 and 4170 when they returned in 1923

1208, 1651 and 1665 to 1668 converted to composites no.516 - 521 in 1897

816 & 1661 converted for use by Engineering Dept., 80917 & 80918 in 1931, cond. 1933/4

1992 - 1930

810, 817, 1649, 1653, 1662, 1984, 1988 - 1931

811, 1650, 1650, 1657, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1998, 4165 - 1932

1656, 1664, 1983, 1997 - 1933

813, 1425, 1654, 1661, 1999, 4170 - 1934

1655, 1659 - 1935

1985, 1986, 2000 - 1936

2002 - 1937

1658 - 1938

2001 - 1946

S7

5 compartment third

6 wheels

28' x 8'
9'6 - 9'6
LE7N 20 built in 1887 50, 64, 175, 216, 395 to 397, 424, 548, 549, 732, 740, 753, 757, 758, 770, 771, 782, 796, 1048


© Mike Morton Lloyd

The axle box of the middle axle is just visible above the
middle of the lower footboard.


JN Slinn collection

64 converted to 2nd no.171 in 1897, then to 3rd no.179 in 1910. It was then sent to the R&SB in 1915 and renumbered 4167 when it returned in 1925

549 converted to 2nd no.173 in 1897. Renumbered as 3rd no.819 in 1912

50, 758 - 1931

771, 796 - 1932

753 - 1934

175, 4167 - 1933

396, 548, 740 - 1934

395, 732, 819 - 1935

770 - 1936

1048 - 1938

S8

5 compartment third

6 wheels

28' x 8'
9'6 - 9'6
LA4TN 29 built in 1885

(some may have been built to diagram S6)

23, 110, 132, 139, 148, 170, 477, 498, 706, 711, 733, 736, 738, 752, 772, 785, 801, 809, 906, 921, 1069, 1195, 1206, 1212, 1213, 1218, 1221, 1226, 1307


© PJ Garland RS12/2


© Michael Hull 2011Vintage Carriage Trust

1195 converted to a chalet


© HMRS


JN Slinn collection

110, 132, 139, 170, 477, 498, 706, 733, 752, 785, 809, 1069, 1226, 1307 - 1931

736, 738, 906, 921 - 1932

148, 772, 1218 - 1933

23, 1221 - 1934

1195 - 1935

1206, 1212 - 1936

1213 - 1938

S9

5 compartment third

4 wheels

28' x 8'
19'
LE7N 10 built in 1891

10 built in 1894

10 built in 1894

20 built in 1895

2 built in 1896

11 built in 1900

15 built in 1902

5 built in 1902

2 converted from composites

305, 320, 335, 386, 478, 480-483, 490

2701-2710

2735-2744

2757-2776

3601, 3602

902, 917, 930-934, 936-939

973-976, 978, 980-982, 984-990

977, 992-994, 996

 

12 ex 6197

92 ex 5076


© HMRS
An S9 in use by the Loco, Carriage & Wagon Dept, Yeovil.  It has had a pair of windows added into the end.


JN Slinn collection

To seconds in 1899:

320 -> 77
2707 -> 50
2710 -> 45
2735 -> 49
2736 -> 76
2759 -> 46
2773 -> 53
2774 -> 52

then to composites

except to thirds in 1910:

5045 -> 204
5049 -> 190
5050 -> 188
5052 -> 183

936 to Ballast Workman's Coach, Central Wales Division, 80952

977 to Mess Van 14928

980 to Engineering Department Mess Van 14138

985 to Workman's coach for Plymouth Division Engineering Dept. 14913

2769 to Breakdown Van 61 in 1935

482 - 1924

2702, 2741 - 1931

2703 - 1932

988, 2742 - 1933

989, 2708, 2737, 2740, 2767 - 1934

190, 974, 401, 403, 483, 490, 981, 2709, 2738, 2739, 2771, 2772 - 1935

478 - 1936

2757, 2758, 2768 - 1938

2743, 2770 - 1939

2705 - 1948

2706, 2776 - 1949

2766 - 1951

2775 - 1953

S10

4 compartment third

6 wheel

29' x 8'
9'6 x 9'6
LA9N 96 Converted from R2
between 1912 to 1923

The stock register is not clear if the removal of the middle axle and conversion to workmen's third occurred at the same time or at different times.

200, 438, 455, 466, 512, 603, 612, 627, 633, 645, 4174, 4178
645 to Pilot Van in 1918 627 - 1914

466 - 1915

612 - 1920

603 - 1924

S10

4 compartment workmen's third

6 wheel

292, 504, 565, 592, 608, 618, 687 None504, 565 - 1924

592 - 1927

S10

4 compartment third

4 wheel

29' x 8'
19'
380, 436, 486, 502, 525, 527, 549, 551, 559, 562, 591, 594, 608, 611(no. used twice), 618, 621, 626(no. used twice), 627, 635(no. used twice), 640, 641, 647, 648, 654, 655, 671, 672, 683, 684, 686, 688, 699, 700 None 686 - 1915

626, 641 - 1920

502, 562, 635 - 1921

525, 549 - 1925

591, 683 - 1926

S10

4 compartment workmen's third

4 wheel

245, 290, 299, 361, 408, 434, 436, 438, 452, 458, 522, 526, 527, 529(no. used twice), 550, 560, 561, 566, 568, 598, 599, 600, 609, 613, 616, 621, 638, 641, 642, 643, 644, 668, 670, 671, 673, 682, 691, 855 None 616 - 1925

642 - 1926

522, 560, 561, 566, 598, 638 - 1927

526, 550, 568 - 1928

609, 684 - 1929

S11

5 compartment third

30' x 8'
LE7N 10 built in 1895

3 converted from composites in 1910/12

2745 to 2754

10, 15, 404


© HMRS


JN Slinn collection

2745 converted to 2nd no.51 in 1899, then to composite no.6205 in 1910.

2748 converted to composite no.135 in 1898

2749 converted to composite no.137 in 1898

10, 404, 2747, 2750, 2752, 2754 - 1932

2751 - 1934

2746 - 1937

2753 - 1938

S12

5 compartment third

30'1" x 8'
LE7N 2 built in 1894 2043 & 2044


JN Slinn collection

None 2044 - 1932

2043 - 1938

S13

5 compartment third

31' x 8'
LE7N 3 built in 1894 2045 to 2047


JN Slinn collection

None 2045, 2047 - 1932

2044 - 1933

S14

4 compartment third with 2 lavatories and luggage space

6 wheels

31' x 8'
11' - 11'
LE7N 5 converted from T52 1694 to 1697, 1699


JN Slinn collection

None 1695, 1699 - 1932

1697 - 1933

1696 - 1934

1694 - 1935

S15

4 compartment third with 2 lavatories and luggage space

6 wheels

31' x 8'
11' - 11'
LA7TN 2 converted from T51 in 1894 2033, 2038

A survivor arriving at the Llanelli and Mynydd Mawr Railway photo © Kevin Stroud 2004 Vintage Carriage Trust


JN Slinn collection

None 2033, 2038 - 1931
S16

4 compartment second

later converted to third class


4 wheels

24' x 8'6"
15'
LE4MW 4 built in 1887

8 built in 1889 in 3 lots

Second class numbers:
9, 11, 32, 35

14 to 17

19, 21

36, 39


Final Third class numbers:
186, 198, 205, 269

270, 277, 278, 1455

193, 1449

197, 412


courtesy of John Lewis


JN Slinn collection

Renumbering

To composites

412 - 1931

193, 269, 278, 1449, 1455 - 1932

186, 197, 270 - 1933

198, 205 - 1935

S17

5 compartment second or third

4 wheels

25' x 8'6"
16'
LE4MW Built as Second Class:

12 in 1893

2 in 1894

4 in 1896

4 in 1896

6 in 1897

6 in 1897/8

4 in 1898

4 in 1898

54 to 65

73, 74

85 to 88

93 to 96

97 to 100

106 to 111

112 to 115

120 to 123

Third Class Numbers


JN Slinn collection


R Spratt collection


JN Slinn collection

252 sent to R&SB in 1920 and renumbered 4156 when it returned in 1924

2759 was converted to Wireless Van no. 40572

2773 was converted to M&T Van no. 173

T3

T2

Dates
Built as Third Class:

18 in 1893

3 in 1894

6 in 1896

6 in 1896

6 in 1897

9 in 1897/8

6 in 1898

6 in 1898

2711 to 2728

2729 to 2731

2777 to 2782

2783 to 2788

2789 to 2794

303, 304, 311, 2795 to 2800

319, 321, 325, 327, 328, 333

340, 341, 343 to 345, 347

343 & 2787 sent to R&SB in 1920 and renumbered 4158 & 4198 when they returned in 1924

327, 340, 2712, 2719, 2723, 2724, 2791, 2792, 2798 to T4

2716, 2726, 2799, 2800 to T1

2789 - 1903

2725 - 1929

2720, 2731 - 1930

311, 2722 - 1931

344, 2714, 2727, 2782, 4158, 4198 - 1932

2711, 2785 - 1933

2717, 2788 - 1934

2715 - 1936

2713, 2729, 2730, 2784, 2786 - 1938

2721, 2781 - 1939

2797 - 1940

2790 - 1944

2718, 2777 - 1945

2793, 2794 - 1948

2728 - 1949

2796 - 1952

S18

5 compartment second or third

4 wheels

26' x 8'6"
16'
LE4MW Built as Second Class:

3 in 1893

11 in 1894

2 in 1894

3 in 1895

41 to 43

46 to 53, 75 to 77

78, 79

82 to 84

Third Class Numbers


JN Slinn collection


© HMRS S90


JN Slinn collection

To workmens's: 79, 285, 459, 2749 Dates
Built as Third Class:

6 in 1887

15 in 1888

6 in 1889

6 in 1889

1 in 1893

3 in 1894

1 in 1895

210, 235, 445, 520, 710, 755

178, 421, 536, 545, 787, 792, 1049, 1271, 1313, 1321, 1327, 1348, 1365, 1669, 1670

426, 467, 909, 1033, 1196, 1197

25, 272, 391, 448, 797, 995

302

2732 to 2734

323

710, 787, 792, 1049 to 3 compt bk 3rd

Renumbering: 1669 to 2755, 1670 to 2756 - both in 1895

To workmens's: 323, 545, 797, 1033, 1348, 2732, 2734, 2756

235 - 1901

1033 - 1930

25, 272, 391, 467, 995, 1196 - 1931

210, 421, 426, 520, 536, 909, 1197, 1271, 1321, 1327, 1348, 1365, 2732, 2734 - 1932

178, 323, 448, 2755, 2756 - 1933

755 - 1934

445, 545 - 1935

797, 2733 - 1936

1313 - 1950

S19

5 compartment third (later conversion workmen's thirds

4 wheels

28' x 8'6"
19'
LE4MW 1 converted from U6 in 1902

6 converted from U6 in 1933 to 1938

359

693, 697, 717, 733, 734, 740


© HMRS ABG223

U6 9998 was first converted to a camping coach and then used in departmental use

None
S20

5 compartment second/third

4 wheels

28' x 8'6"
19'
LA0MW 2 built in 1884 Second class numbers:
166, 167


Third class numbers:
484, 2465

The bottom drawing suggests that coaches 210, 235, 445, 520, 710, 755 were built as S20 rather than S18.  However, the dimensions in the lot book and coaches registers are consistent with them being S18.


JN Slinn collection


courtesy of Mike Barnsley


JN Slinn collection

None 484 in 1922

2465 in 1932

S21

6 compartment third

4 wheels

31' x 8'6"
19'
LA0MW 2 built in 1884 1204, 1205
R Spratt collection


JN Slinn collection


© GWR at Blaenau Ffestiniog

1205 converted to composite no.138 in 1898 1204 in 1929
ex R1

no diagram number

4 compartment workmen's third

4 wheels

28' x 8'
16'
LA9N 5 converted from R1 between 1922 & 1926 291, 298, 300, 336, 640 None 291, 620 - 1927

300, 336 - 1928

ex R3 &
ex U1

no diagram number

4 compartment workmen's third

25' x 8'6
16'
LE4MW 3 converted from R3
in 1932 & 1933

3 converted from U1
in 1932, 1933 & 1936

688, 698, 702, 707, 714, 718
R Spratt collection

707 converted in 1940 to Pilot Van 74 and used in the Lydney breakdown train - see adjacent photograph 714 - 1935
ex R5

no diagram number

4 compartment third

26' x 8'6
17'
LE4MW 1 converted from R5 in 1898 2354 U2 in 1898
ex R5 &
ex U2

no diagram number

4 compartment workmen's third

26' x 8'6
17'
LE4MW 4 converted from R5

4 converted from U2

600, 607, 620, 662, 687, 709, 710, 712 None 600 - 1931

620 - 1932

709, 710, 712 - 1933

607, 662 - 1934

687 - 1936

ex U4

no diagram number

4 compartment workmens's third

4 wheels

26'10 x 8
17'
LE7N Converted from U4
R Spratt collection
696 converted to ED Central Wales Div, Caersws, Mess & Sleeping Van, 14146 in 1946

747 converted to Mess & Tool Van 215

748 converted to Mess & Tool Van 14070 in 1945

750 converted to Mess & Tool Van 14149

618 - 1932

715 - 1933

659, 660 - 1935

727 - 1936

739 - 1937

No date618, 653, 689, 703, 706, 708, 723, 725
1931660, 738
1932690, 691, 696, 699, 700, 701, 727
1933702, 704, 713, 715, 724
1934726
1936716, 721, 731, 732, 750
1937722, 739, 741, 742
1938747, 748
ex U4

no diagram number

4 compartment third

4 wheels

 
1936735, 739
1937744
1939749
ex U9

4 compartment third

6 wheels

28' x 8'
9'2 - 9'2
built on old underframes, some 18'5 or 18'6
LA9N 4 converted from U9206, 4190, 4192 & 4195 4190, 4192, 4195 - 1924

206 - 1930

ex U10

4 compartment third

6 wheels

(some 4 wheels)

28' x 8'
9'6 - 9'6

(19')

CAA9N 5 converted in 1923 to 1925 from U10243, 866, 4171, 4175, 4199 4171 - 1925

866, 4175 - 1928

4199 - 1929

243 - 1930

ex U11

3 compartment third and (guard &) luggage

28'6 x 8'

18'

LA9N 12 converted from U11, U12 & U13 between 1920 & 1928 521, 564, 569, 591, 597, 610, 611, 619(used twice), 640, 655, 665 Compartments 3rd, 3rd, (Guard & )Luggage, 3rd 521, 564, 597, 619, 640 - 1927

591 - 1928

569, 655, 665 - 1929

610 - 1930

619 - 1931

611 - 1932

ex U16

4 compartment luggage third / workman's third

4 wheels (some 6 wheels)

31' x 8'
19'
LA9N 1 converted from Slip Coach in 1907 (no.695)

44 converted from U15 & U16 between 1915 to 1927

306, 326, 348, 368, 466, 500, 531, 534, 540, 552, 558, 563, 567, 571, 574, 584, 588, 601, 604, 615, 625, 627, 629, 639, 642, 646, 659, 662, 668, 675, 690, 695, 852, 854, 856, 859, 861, 863, 871, 877, 883, 895, 4162, 4168, 4179 534 to R&SB 28 in 1919

625 to R&SB 80 in 1917, renumbered 4196 when returned in 1923

629 to R&SB 78 in 1917, allocated 4194 when returned in 1923

R&SB 28 - 1921

668 - 1922

4194, 4196 - 1924

500, 552, 563, 567, 584, 604, 639, 646, 675, 4162, 4168 - 1927

326, 531, 540, 588, 615, 662, 690, 695, 852, 854, 856, 859, 863, 871, 877, 4179 - 1928

348, 466, 574, 659, 861, 883 - 1929

368, 601, 627, 895 - 1930

ex U20

5 compartment workman's third

31' x 8'

19'

LE12CN 1 converted from U20 in 1931 640 640 - 1934
ex U21

4 compartment workman's third

31' x 8'

19'

LA12N 1 converted from U21 in 1931 639
639 ex 6901
The partition between the former luggage compartment and the compartment to the left of it has been removed making it one large compartment. Wooden bench seats have been put around the outside of it.
ex U28

5 compartment third

31' x 8'

9'6 x 9'6

CAA12N 1 converted in 1930 626 626 - 1932
ex lots 45 and 57

4 compartment third

31' x 8'
9'6 - 9'6
1 converted in 1915 532 532 to R&SB 5 in 1919, renumbered 4159 when returned in 1923 4159 - 1923
lots B, D & O

no diagram number

4 compartment third

4 wheels

21' x 7'6
12'
Worcester 24 built in 1868 in 2 lots

24 built in 1869

27, 224 - 234

76, 79, 237 - 246

247 - 270

lot S

no diagram number

4 compartment third

4 wheels

21'6 x 7'6
12'
Worcester 24 built in 1869 331 - 354
lot 11

no diagram number

5 compartment third

6 wheels

26' x 7'6
17'
LA9S 30 built in 1870 425 - 450
lots 22 & 24

no diagram number

4 compartment second

4 wheels

23' x 7'6
14'
LA9S 55 built in 1870 in 2 lots 5, 7, 9, 12, 14 - 18, 20, 31, 37, 39, 43 - 46, 48, 52, 64 - 66, 155, 164, 168

13, 33, 36, 53, 54, 56, 58, 59, 62, 68, 69, 75, 80, 84, 88 - 90, 92, 93, 102, 107, 118, 129, 130, 131, 137, 140, 145, 147, 149

lot 30

no diagram number

4 compartment second

4 wheels

25' x 7'6
16'
LA9S 40 built in 1870 247 - 286

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