Great Western Railway Dean Era Coaches

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Note: After 1907 first class coaches had 8000 added to their number and composites had 6000 added to their number.

Diagram Dimensions
Length x Width
Wheelbase
Lewis Class.
Numbers
Conversions
T1

2 compartment brake third

4 wheels

25' x 8'6"
16'
LE4MW Converted from S17 2716, 2719, 2723, 2726, 2791, 2798, 2799, 2800

T2

2 compartment brake third

(originally built as all second class)

4 wheels

1662, 1668, 1669, 1670
T3

3 compartment brake third

(originally built as all second class)

4 wheels

1667

T4

3 compartment brake third

4 wheels

327, 340, 2712, 2714, 2792
T10

3 compartment brake second/third

28' x 8'
16'
LA9N 2 converted from T13 in c.1900, 1882 212, 215
One compartment converted to a guards brake and
the adjacent compartment had it doors barred and locked shut.
Both converted to workmens coaches in 1926 with 3 normal compartments and 1 large compartment, total 44 seats 212, 215 - 1928
T11

3 compartment brake third

6 wheels

28' x 8'
9'6 - 9'6
LA9N converted from S3 circa 1904

One compartment converted to a guards brake.   Note the extra set of hinges toward the end of the coach where a quarterlight has been made into a second leaf of the guard's doors.   The adjacent compartment had it doors barred and locked shut.

None
T12

4 compartment brake third

6 wheels

(50)80 - 2nd class, 5(163) - 2nd class, 271, 342, 1097


courtesy of John Lewis

It has fixed (gas) tail lamps and a bar across the passenger compartments' droplights.

5080 renumbered 207 - 3rd class in 1910
5163 renumbered 350 - 3rd class in 1910
207 - 1922
T13

4 compartment brake second/third

28' x 8'
16'
LA9N 8 converted from S2 in 1878 to 1890 1, 2, 6, 7, 212, 213, 214, 215
One compartment converted to a guards brake
5001, 5002, 5006, 5007, 213, 214
to S2 in
1910, 1911, 1910, 1910, 1926, c.1925

212, 215
to T10
c.1900, 1882

None
T14

5 compartment brake workman's third

4 wheels

28' x 8'
19'
LA9N converted from S3 between 1904 and 1913 122, 271, 321, 471, 523, 530, 714, 721, 847, 857, 870, 871, 874, 916, 1068, 1097, 1394(43 seats), 1429, 1432, 1435, 1447, 1467

One seat removed in an end compartment and handbrake fitted

None 871 - 1909

857 - 1913

870 - 1919

874 - 1923

271 - 1928

1097 - 1929

122, 530, 714, 1068, 1394, 1432, 1435, 1447, 1467 - 1932

523, 721, 1429 - 1933

471, 916 - 1935

T15

3 compartment brake third

28' x 8'6"
19'
LE4MW 2 converted from T17 301, 322
Conversion from T17 to T15 involved expanding the
guards/luggage area by including the adjacent
compartment.  The door was locked shut, handles removed and windows barred.


courtesy of John Lewis
T16

3 compartment brake second

1 converted from T17 5081
Conversion from T17 to T16 involved expanding the
guards/luggage area by including the adjacent
compartment.  The door was locked shut, handles removed and windows barred.
Renumbered to 1672 in 1907 and allocated to the Bala And Blaineau Train1672 - 1940
T17

4 compartment brake second/third

Brake seconds

1 built in 1893

1 built in 1895

Brake thirds

1 built in 1893

1 built in 1895

44

81

301

322

301 & 322 to T15

81 to T16

352 (ex 5044) - 1916
T18

2 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

28'6 x 8'
19'
LA9N 4 converted from T19 142 in 1925
748
762
779 in ?
748, 762 - 1928

142 - 1931

779 - 1932

T19

2 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

4 converted from T20 37 in 1901
133 before 1929
142 in 1898
748 in ?
762 in ?
779 in ?
142, 748, 762, 779 Guards's duckets removed: T18

133 converted to workmens coach in 1929

37 - 1928

133 - 1931

T20

4 compartment brake third with central guard's compartment and ducket

10 built in 1882 37, 133, 142, 152, 162, 748, 762, 766, 779, 907

courtesy of John Lewis

37, 133, 142, 748, 766, 779 Doors locked shut and bars fitted on windows: T19

152, 162 and 766 guards's duckets removed: T21

907 - 1935
T21

4 compartment brake third with central guard's compartment and guard's ducket removed

3 converted from T20 152 in 1929
162 in 1922
766 before 1924
766 - 1929

152 - 1931

162 - 1933

T22

3 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

30' x 8'
19'
LE7N 2 built in 1894 2629, 2630

Guard's duckets to the right of the guards door on both sides

2629 Guards's duckets removed: T23 2630 - 1924
T23

3 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

1 converted from T222629 2629 - 1932
T24

2 compartment brake third

31' x 8'
9'6 - 9'6
LA9N converted from U16
T25

2 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
9'6" - 9'6"
LA9N converted from T38 90, 95 Guards's duckets removed: T26

90, 95 to Passenger Brake Van V15

T26

2 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

65, 68, 69, 86, 100, 1474, 1476, 1480, 1485 68, 69, 86, 100, 1485 - 1930

65, 1474 - 1932

1480 - 1933

1476 - 1934

T27

2 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
9'6" - 9'6"
LA9N converted from T38 80, 94, 1486


R Spratt collection

Guards's duckets removed: T26 94 - 1928

80 - 1930

1486 - 1931

T28

2 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

1475
L&GRP 17689
Notice how the eaves panel has been made into 1 continuous panel, unlike the T27 above. Also the small panel adjacent to the end has been combined with the window.
1475 - 1932
T29

3 compartment brake third with guard's duckets

6 wheels

31' x 8'

9'6 x 9'6

LA9N 1 converted from F19 in 1903 388
HMRS

388 - 1930
T30

3 compartment brake third

6 wheels

31' x 8'

11' x 11'

LA4TN 9 converted from F18 in 1912 511 to 515, 518

4180 to 4183, 4186, 4187

512, 513 & 518 to R&SB 30 to 32 in 1913/4. Renumbered 4181 to 4183 when returned in 1924

515 reduced to 4 wheels

4186 converted to PW Van 80920 in 1931

511, 4180, 4182, 4183, 4187 - 1931

514 - 1932

515 - 1935

4181 - 1938

T31

3 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
19'
LE7N Converted from T49

1 pre 1912

1 in 1932

427

4189


Real Photos, V1879

Conversion from T49 to T31 involved expanding the
guards/luggage area by including the adjacent
compartment.  The door was locked shut, handles removed and windows not barred in this case.

4189 - 1951
T32

3 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
19'
LE7N 10 built in 1891

15 built in 1894

330, 905, 911 - 913, 918, 919, 935, 946, 997

2606 - 2620

Guard's duckets at the end of the coach on both sides


JBN Ashford

2607 to Breakdown Van 164 in 1932

Guards's duckets removed: T33

911 - 1932

2608 - 1933

441 - 1936

2609 - 1938

2613, 2616 - 1940

2617 - 1946

T33

3 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

330, 905, 912, 913, 918, 919, 946, 997

2606, 2610, 2612, 2614, 2615, 2618 - 2620

912 to Camping Coach 9942

913 to Camping Coach 9945

935 to Camping Coach 9949

..all between 1935 and 1939

905 - 1933

919, 946, 997, 2612 - 1935

2610 - 1938

2606, 2619 - 1939

2618, 2620 - 1940

T34

3 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
19'
LE7N 20 built in 1894

40 built in 1895 in 2 batches

4 built in 1896

2631 - 2650

2651 - 2670

2673 - 2692

3401 - 3404


courtesy of John Lewis

Guard's duckets adjacent to passenger compartment on
both sides

2639 and 2649 went to the R&SB in 1915 and 1914, they were renumbered 4184 and 4157 when they returned in 1923

2657 to Camping Coach 9937 in 1938

3401 renumbered 914
3402 renumbered 42
3404 renumbered 920
all in 1899

3403 converted to brake second 40 in 1898, then brake third 329 in 1900

Guards's duckets removed: T35

4184 - 1931

2637, 2652, 2656 - 1934

2640, 2643, 2650, 2648, 2687, 2688 - 1935

2665 - 1937

2647, 2654, 2655, 2669, 2684, 2689 - 1938

2685 - 1939

2691, 2692, 4157 - 1953

T35

3 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

2632 - 2635, 2641

2658 - 2661, 2663, 2668, 2670

2673, 2674, 2683, 2690

42, 329, 914

Both sides of a T35. The location of the removed guards
ducket is where the GWR shield now is.


HMRS AAZ634

9938 in departmental use.  Notice where the ducket has
been removed and the panelling made good.

2634 to Camping Coach 9935 in 1938

2635 to Camping Coach 9936 in 1939

2660 to Camping Coach 9938 in 1938

2663 to Camping Coach 9939 in 1938

2664 went to the R&SB in 1915, it was renumbered 4185 when it returned in 1923

2641 - 1934

42, 2658, 2670 - 1935

4185 - 1939

2661 - 1940

T36

3 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
19'
LE7N 10 built in 1901 942, 949 - 957 As T34 above except the guard's duckets are to the left
of the guard's door on both sides


courtesy of John Lewis
951 to Camping Coach 9946 in 1937

Guards's duckets removed: T37

952 - 1933

953 - 1938

955 - 1947

T37

3 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

942, 949, 950, 954, 956
PJ Garland RS8/3

80979 in departmental use by the Signal Department,
Reading

942 to Engineers Coach 80979 in 1935

949 to Camping Coach 9947 in 1937

950 went to the R&SB in 1915, it was renumbered 4188 when it returned in 1923

956 and 957 to Camping Coaches 9948 and 9941 in 1937

954 - 1938

4188 - 1948

T38

4 compartment centre brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
9'6" - 9"6'
LA9N 40 built in 1875

30 built in 1876

25 built in 1877

50 built in 1883

1100 - 1139

1272 - 1301

65 - 70, 75, 77, 80, 86 - 88, 90, 91, 93-100, 104, 107, 125

1474 - 1523


Both sides had the double doors on the left hand side of the combined guards and luggage compartment.  (Diagonally opposite when viewed from above.)

An early photograph of a T38 with oil lighting and no drop lights in the luggage. 

90, 95 to 2 compartment brake third T25

65, 68, 69, 86, 100, 1474, 1476, 1480, 1485 to 2 compartment brake third T26

80, 94, 1486 to 2 compartment brake third T27

1475 to 2 compartment brake third T28

1481 Guards's duckets removed T39

70 - 1925

88 - 1927

77, 97, 98 - 1928

87, 93, 104, 125, 1478 - 1929

91, 1477, 1482 - 1930

75, 1484, 1487 - 1931

T39

4 compartment centre brake third without guard's ducket

1287

1481, 1493, 1501, 1512, 1513

1481 - 1935
T40

4 brake third with guard's ducket

6 wheels

31' x 8'

9'6 x 9'6

LA9N X converted from F19
T42

2 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
10' - 10'
or  
11' - 11'
LA7TN 7 converted from T51 2003, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2018, 2019

Conversion from T51 to T42 involved expanding the
guards/luggage area by including the adjacent 2 compartments.  The doors were locked shut, handles removed and windows barred.  The outer compartment doors were changed to double doors.

Guards's duckets removed: ex T42
ex T42

2 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

1 converted from T42 2006
T43

2 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
10' - 10'
or  
11' - 11'
LA7TN 5 converted from T51 2030, 2034, 2037, 2040, 2042

Conversion from T51 to T43 involved expanding the guards/luggage area by including the adjacent 2 compartments.  The doors were locked shut, handles removed and windows barred.

ex T51

2 compartment centre brake third without guard's ducket

recorded as T45 in the GWR Diagram Book

31' x 8'
10' - 10'
or  
11' - 11'
LA7TN 2 converted from T51 2012, 2031

Conversion from T51 involved expanding the guards/luggage area by including the adjacent 2 compartments.  The doors were locked shut and handles removed. The windows filled in with panels to look as if the coach had been built that way.

T44

2 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
10' - 10'
or  
11' - 11'
LE7N 15 converted from T52 1674, 1678, 1679, 1680, 1682, 1684, 1688, 1689, 1690, 1693, 1700, 1703, 1704, 1707, 1709
R Spratt collection

Conversion from T52 to T44 involved expanding the guards/luggage area by including the adjacent 2 compartments.  The doors were locked shut and handles removed. The windows filled in with panels to look as if the coach had been built that way.

Guards's duckets removed: T45

Converted to 4 wheels: T46

1704 - 1911
T45

2 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

1678, 1700
T46

2 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
22' or 20'
1678, 1693, 1703

Conversion from T52 to T46 involved expanding the guards/luggage area by including the adjacent 2 compartments.  The doors were locked shut, handles removed and windows barred.

T47

2 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
19'
LE7N 7 built in 1900

20 built in 1902 in 2 batches

940, 941, 944, 945, 947, 948

958 - 972

314, 353, 357, 358, 360


GWR


HMRS S136-9

80919 at Bathampton being used by the Engineering Department

Guards's duckets removed: T48 947 - 1932

964 - 1935

T48

2 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

945, 948

958, 960, 971

353


R Spratt collection
971 - 1934
T49

4 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
19'
LE7N 20 built in 1891

5 built in 1894

400, 410, 411, 413, 414, 416, 419, 420, 422, 427, 429, 442, 444, 453, 461, 462, 463, 464, 475, 476

2601 - 2605


R J Heron - 26-Sep-2009

T49 as running at the Didcot Railway Centre


HC Casserley 96344
9940 in departmental use at Llantrisant 1959

416 and 475 to Camping Coaches 9940 and 9943 in 1935

Guards's duckets removed: T50

427 and 2605 converted to 3 compartment brake third T31

413 - 1931

422, 453 - 1932

461 - 1933

400, 463 - 1935

2604 - 1938

2602, 2603 - 1940

T50

4 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

410, 411, 414, 419, 420, 429, 444, 462, 464, 476

2601


R Spratt collection
9944 in departmental use at Barmouth
411 to Camping Coach 9944 in 1935 420, 462 - 1932

419 - 1933

476 - 1934

414, 429, 464, 2601 - 1935

In the records there is a lot of confusion about the T51/T52 family and the subsequent conversions to S14/S15/T42 to T46.   This involves 2 lots built to style LA7TN and 2 lots built to style LE7N.  For some reason there was not a diagram that specifically covered a T51 with out guard's duckets.  Instead they were shown together with T53.   Similarly T45 appears to show coaches of both LA7TN and LE7N styles.   There is further confusion as 7 coaches that ought to be T52 are shown in the Diagram Book as T51.   The finer detail is even more confusing as one lot of each style was built with 20' wheelbase and the other lot 22';   also at least one coach received a 19' chassis at sometime.

Here I have presented each design as a separate diagram which is how I believe the GWR would have shown them had the T section of the Diagram Book had been maintained until they were all scrapped.

T51

4 compartment centre brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
10' - 10'
or  
11' - 11'
LA7TN 20 built in 1886 - on Broad Gauge frames

20 built in 1887 - on Broad Gauge frames

Broad Gauge Nos. - 556 - 575 Converted to Standard Gauge 1891/2 - 2023 - 2042

Broad Gauge Nos. - 536 - 555 Converted to Standard Gauge 1891/2 - 2003 - 2022

2 compartment brake third T42

2 compartment brake third T43

2 compartment brake third ex T51

2 compartment brake third S15

Guards's duckets removed: ex T51

ex T51

4 compartment centre brake third without guard's ducket

recorded as T53 in the GWR Diagram Book

9 converted from T51 2005, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2020, 2021, 2025, 2035, 2039
T52

4 compartment centre brake third with guard's ducket

31' x 8'
10' - 10'
or  
11' - 11'
LE7N 30 built in 1887

20 built in 1887/8

1673 - 1702

1703 - 1722

 

1673, 1681, 1683, 1685, 1686, 1691, 1701 are recorded as T51 in the GWR Diagram book

2 compartment brake third T44

2 compartment brake third T45

2 compartment brake third T46

2 compartment brake third S14

Guards's duckets removed: T53

1710 converted to Brake Composite in 1902

T53

4 compartment centre brake third without guard's ducket

12 converted from T52

1 converted from Brake Composite

1675, 1677, 1687, 1692, 1702, 1705, 1708, 1712, 1715, 1720, 1721, 1722

802

T54

3 compartment brake third

31' x 8'6"
19'
LE4MW x converted in x
T55

3 compartment brake third/second

6 converted from T60 794, 892, 924, 1671, 2611, 2667
T56

3 compartment brake third/second

1 converted from T60 338
T57

4 compartment brake third

x converted in x
T58

4 compartment brake second

4 converted from T60 115, 253, 628, 694 Conversion from T60 to T58 involved expanding the guards area by including the adjacent compartment.   The compartment door was locked shut, handles removed and windows barred to make a luggage area.
T59

5 compartment brake third

6 built in 1893

1 built in 1894

4 built in 1896 in 2 batches

2 built in 1897

7 built in 1898 in 3 batches

2621 to 2626

2627

2693, 2694

2695, 2596

2697, 2698

313, 2699, 2700

312, 317

334, 337

Right hand side

The chassis of 2695 was given a new body in 1898
T60

5 compartment brake second

later converted to third class

6 built in 1893

1 built in 1894

4 built in 1896 in 2 batches

2 built in 1897

7 built in 1898 in 3 batches

66 to 71

72

89, 90

91, 92

101, 102

103 to 105

116, 117

118, 119

Third Class Numbers

Left hand side

794, 892, 924, 1671, 2611, 2667 to 3 compartment brake third T55

338 to 3 compartment brake third T56

115, 253, 628, 694 to 4 compartment brake third T58

364, 365 - 1932
T61

4 compartment brake third

31' x 8'6"
19'
LA0MW 1 built in 1884 507 507 - 1932
T62

4 compartment brake second

later converted to third

31' x 8'6"
19'
LA0MW 1 built in 1884 Second class number: 169

Third class number:
470

reclassified and renumbered 1899

T63

3 compartment brake third
6 wheels

34' x 8'

11' x 11'

LE7N converted in 1902 to 1910 from Composite 519

Conversion from Composite to T63 involved expanding the guards/luggage area by including the adjacent compartment. The doors were locked shut, handles removed and windows barred.

519 - 1931
T64

4 compartment brake third with guard's ducket

34'3" x 8'
11' - 11'
LE7TN 6 built in 1887 as Broad Gauge Convertibles

Converted to Standard Gauge in 1891/2

BG 510 - 515

SG 1977 - 1982


R Spratt collection, 1981
Guards's duckets removed: T65

1978 converted to 3 compartment brake third? condemned in 1934

1981 - 1932
T65

4 compartment brake third without guard's ducket

1977, 1989, 1982 1977, 1982 - 1932

1979 - 1935

ex R2 29' x 8'
9'6 x 9'6
LA9N Converted in 1924 from R2 661
Drawing of unconverted coach. Conversion was
probably just internal.
Middle axle removed and converted for Workmen 1927 @ Porthcawl
ex S1

3 compartment brake second

later converted to third class

25' x 8'

18'

LA9N 5 converted in 1882

340, 343 & 356 converted to brake third in 1896, 368 & 380 in 1897

340, 343, 356, 368, 380 Third class numbers

340 - 247
343 - 242
356 - 232
368 - 371
380 - 440

340 - 1913

232 - 1914

ex U25

4 compartment brake third

31' x 8'
19'
LE7N 3 converted from U25 in 1937 685, 737, 739
ex U26

4 compartment brake third

31' x 8'

19'

LA12N 8 converted from U26 in 1930/1 614, 615, 624, 625, 631, 633, 637, 643 625 - 1932

624 - 1933

631, 637 - 1935

633 - 1936

Lot 8

2 compartment brake third

21' x 7'6

12'

Worcester 24 built in 1869 357 to 380 374, 375 - 1915
Lot 92

2 compartment brake third

22' x 7'6

12'

LA9S, Saltney 20 built in 1872 9, 10, 12, 15, 29, 36, 46, 48, 61, 66, 71, 74, 81 to 85, 89, 92, 143
R Spratt collection, 92
29 - 1905

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